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18 July 2005 @ 06:41 pm
In Defense of Hermione  
It seems that Hermione has replaced Ginny as the most hated female in the Harry Potter series.



Since returning to the online world after reading HBP, I have encountered complaint after complaint after complaint from too many people to count about Hermione's character in HBP. Many claim to not even recognize her, and for some reason feel that they can no longer love her as they once did.

First of all, she hasn't changed. She's still the same Hermione. There's just one change in her character, and it was one that many R/Hr shippers, including me, knew would happen. That is, she became more obvious and more desperate about Ron as she came to the realization that she may actually lose him to another girl or that he may lose interest in her. Nothing else is different. There is no "New Hermione" or "HBP Hermione". She's still the same Hermione Jane Granger that we have had from Book 1. She's just in love now.

Many R/Hr shippers have been trying for a long time to make people see that Hermione is not perfect, but we were just called Hermione bashers. We weren't bashing her, we were accepting the Hermione that JKR was writing instead of elevating her to something that she was never meant to be.

Some say that the real Hermione would never want to be with Ron. Quite wrong. The real Hermione has wanted Ron's approval and acceptance from Book 1. That's why she was crying in the bathroom on the night the boys saved her from the troll. Then in Book 3, after being estranged from him and facing the possibility that he could've been stabbed by Sirius Black, she throws herself on him weeping and apologizing when he finally speaks to her again. In Book 4, the book that JKR has said has the answer to whether she likes Ron as more than a friend or not, Hermione is bothered by Ron's reaction to the veela, she was upset that Ron wanted a good looking date, and she told Ron to ask her next time and not as a last resort. Also, she disapproves of Ron's interest in Fleur, she's furious when Fleur kisses him, and she scowls when he compliments her. She's even a bit nasty when Ron tries to flirt with Padma, his Yule Ball date. In OotP, she dislikes Luna who laughs at his jokes and takes an extreme interest in him, even if it's not romantic. Hermione marked her territory with a kiss on the cheek just minutes after Luna had wished "Ronald" good luck. Hermione's wanted a chance at romance with Ron for a long time. Her continued interest in him in HBP is not a sudden and unexpected development.

"New Hermione" is also accused of being nasty. I find this surprising because a lot of anti-R/Hr shippers often said that Hermione's nastiness toward Ron in OotP was evidence that she wasn't interested in him. Now that they see the nastiness is because she is interested in him, they consider it negative and out of character. I guess comments like "emotional range of a teaspoon", "Don't be pathetic", and "insensitive wart" aren't nasty? I'm smelling a double standard. As she became more desperate in her realization that she may lose her chance with him, she grew even nastier. A part of her is angry and frustrated at him for being a clueless idiot, but another part of her is angry and frustrated at herself for loving that clueless idiot anyway. Love is a powerful emotion, and when we are able to love freely, it's a beautiful thing. However, when we have to lock it away, it can be very dangerous. As Harry observed when he was contemplating Ron and Hermione becoming a couple, sometimes the fear of it not working out makes things very complicated. Would the friendship last? That's something that MUST be plaguing Ron and Hermione. A bit of tension is to be expected.

Some are also saying that she's never been manipulative before. HA! The fact that she is so clever makes her very good at manipulation. She manipulates her parents, teachers, fellow students, Rita Skeeter, and even Harry. She was also able to explain to Harry about Cho's manipulative behavior because she was doing the same thing with Ron and Viktor. It may not be sensible, but sometimes girls do things to see just how much a boy likes them. They purposely make them jealous. While canon (through Ginny's dialogue) has confirmed that Hermione actually did have a romance with Krum, I firmly believe that her continued mention of Krum was purposely done to measure Ron's feelings. She purposely wrote that very long letter right in front of Ron in OotP. She wanted him to ask about it. I've been trying to tell people for many months that the letter writing/post Cho kiss scene, while on the surface was about Harry's love life, was actually all about Ron and Hermione in the subtext. I think the McLaggen bit in HBP proves that. Hermione finds someone that challenges Ron and uses that to her advantage. This has been her character for a very long time. It's nothing new, and no one should be surprised.



She's also accused of not being a good enough friend in this book. WTF!?! First of all, I have to say something.

Harry has become a better friend to Hermione in this book which shows his tremendous growth as a person and shows his beautiful bond of friendship that he has with her. He ran to comfort her when she saw Ron with Lavender. He went after her also when he had come to the conclusion that Hermione's needs were greater than Ron's at the time. Hermione was never his doormat, and her life never revolved around Harry. She's ambitious, driven, and needs to be the best for herself, not Harry. This has always been true. I think Harry has truly realized that his friends have lives that do not revolve around him. We're finally seeing Harry take interest in their personal lives and everyone is becoming less Harry-centric. Bravo, Harry.

That's one of the many things that always bothered me about H/Hr. As a sidekick she's always going to give more than she receives. That is her role, but not everything Hermione does is for Harry. I find it ridiculous that anyone would think that she is somehow less of a friend to him now. She remained fiercely loyal, concerned for his safety and well being, and as supportive as ever. However, she's never led a Harry-centric life, and this book continues that trend. Furthermore, if she would have been made a love interest, her life would have become Harry-centric, and that would have diminished her character.

There's one criticism that I partially agree with though. Some are saying that this "New Hermione"does deserve someone like Ron. I know it's meant as a jab to Ron who's never received much respect from those who elevated Hermione to something that she wasn't, but I consider it a compliment to both of them to say that they deserve each other. They are both very real characters with good hearts, loyal spirits, and many admirable talents and qualities, and Rowling knows how to write teenagers. She can write them with flaws, moodiness, and temperamental attitudes and we still love them. I've loved Hermione since Book 1 because she's not perfect. I think HBP was a wake up call to anyone who thought that Hermione was supposed to be some sort of supreme goddess. But, yes, I agree that she deserves someone like Ron. She deserves someone who will vomit slugs for her, fret and overcome his greatest fear when she is ill, stand up to the teachers when she has tears in her eyes, will notice her irregular class schedule, notice her new teeth, wonder about her love life, defend her from CAPSLOCK!Harry, and hold her, stroke her hair and cry with her.

They've been written to be together since Book 1. The first meeting foreshadowed it. Ron's truly been the only one for her. I knew that the moment she threw herself on him in PoA and broke down. She's always been his. He's always had her. He just doesn't realize it, yet. Typical boy! (As Jo would say)




 
 
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[info]luvin_potter on July 18th, 2005 03:53 pm (UTC)
I completely agree, I've been trying to convey this to people but you put it in words much better then I could!
Nate the Great: Canon[info]major_dallas on July 18th, 2005 04:00 pm (UTC)
Heather you should see it at CoS, some of our favorite Harmonians are now going nuts over Hermione's abusiveness(physical) towards Ron and claiming this isn't the foundation for a good relationship. Funny when I read the bird scene, the words Hermione shooting Ron the bird just jumped into my mind(I know I know Faux-shadowing hee hee)
Cheers
[info]imation23 on July 18th, 2005 07:17 pm (UTC)
It should suit them just fine, considering how they were going on about abusive!Ron just a few months ago.
(no subject) - [info]paperbagprincez on July 19th, 2005 12:24 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]major_dallas on July 19th, 2005 05:56 am (UTC)
the one with that girl i knew: Ron/Hermione[info]pocketfullof on July 18th, 2005 04:17 pm (UTC)
*applauds wildly*

Marvelous thoughts and insight!
Jordan Catalano: h/hr3[info]prettyveela on July 18th, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC)
I'm smelling a double standard.

Exactly. I remember so many theories about how Hermione was nasty to Ron, and how she'd show her feelings in HBP. If Hermione had said and done the exact same things towards Harry instead of Ron, we wouldn't be seeing all this complaining, she'd be IC. *rolls eyes*

This is what happens when you put a character on Goddess status, she will never fully live up to the standards that you set up for her. R/Hr's have always pointed out Hermione's flaws, and H/Hr's we've debated have always justified them. Well she's still showing flaws, and now you hate her because she acted like a girl towards Ron and not Harry? Please. :\
the one with that girl i knew[info]pocketfullof on July 18th, 2005 04:21 pm (UTC)
now you hate her because she acted like a girl towards Ron and not Harry? Please. :\

Yes, I noticed this too, although about Hermione's ruthlessness.

It's perfectly in character for Hermione to be ruthless (blackmailing Rita, jinxing Marietta, etc...) when it's for Harry's sake. But when she shows that same determination for Ron (at Quidditch tryouts) all of the sudden she's out of character and has lost her sense of fair play? Ooookay.
[info]avada_86 on July 18th, 2005 04:28 pm (UTC)
I bow to you, Heatherhobbit.

All Harmonians leaving because they claim JKR has mutilated Hermione's character should be made to read this eloquent and flawless defense; thus leaving no other conclusion but that they have read Hermione's character wrongly because they shipped H/Hr, and were mistaken all along about JKR's characterisation.

This is what the dangers of shipping do; they let you mould this character that fits the canon in order to defend your ship, but the worst thing is that more often than not, a shipper will ignore the opposition's valid points about characterisation in their quest to see their ship home.
"Q" is for "quor": Ron/Hermione[info]q_sama on July 18th, 2005 04:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you for explaining it so eloquently. It drives me crazy because I remember vividly being accused of Hermione-bashing over at the DT, when I was just pointing out that she often times has a superiority complex when she knows things that others don't, and uses it against Ron and Harry.

Hermione's never been perfect - her very first scene was bossy and rude, and the only difference between then and now is that the bossiness and rudeness isn't directed at them as often. ::shakes head::

Part of me KNEW this would happen. If people are too stubborn to read words the way they're written, of course they're stubborn enough to deny a writer her accurate characterization. ::fumes::
Caitie: HP | B.F.F.[info]caitiedidit on July 19th, 2005 03:36 pm (UTC)
(I don't know why, but I have this perverse need to poke you whenever I happen across you by accident.)

Part of me KNEW this would happen. If people are too stubborn to read words the way they're written, of course they're stubborn enough to deny a writer her accurate characterization.

I've seen a lot of these sorts say they're OMG LEAVING TEH FANDOM. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, that's what I say. *fumes with*
(no subject) - [info]heatherhobbit on July 19th, 2005 04:39 pm (UTC)
DeeDee: ron/hermione[info]edeainfj on July 18th, 2005 04:29 pm (UTC)
Many R/Hr shippers have been trying for a long time to make people see that Hermione is not perfect, but we were just called Hermione bashers. We weren't bashing her, we were accepting the Hermione that JKR was writing instead of elevating her to something that she was never meant to be.

WORD. Word to this whole post. :D
Socket L. Nutmegging: goodship[info]bradamant on July 19th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)
Double word...and I love your icon.
Cuddly Cthulhu Plushie: jiminyc: thin mint[info]chrysantza on July 18th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
*applauds* Wonderful post.

I've always thought that the crazier end of the Hermione shippers (not the nice, sane H/Hrs or D/Hrs or whatever) never saw the real Hermione. They erased her from their vision of the books and replaced her with Hermione Sue, Wub Goddess.

And now that Hermione is acting like a normal and flawed (albeit brilliantly intelligent) teenage girl - i.e. HERSELF - they hate her.

Boy howdy. The fandumb has become this screaming black hole of utter and complete wanktasticness.
deus ex maria[info]deus_ex_maria on July 20th, 2005 08:43 am (UTC)
I totally agree. SS/HG shippers in particular have become deranged straw grasping wankers. Well, a lot of them have always been such, but it's gotten much wankier.

I suppose there is a reason RW/HG is called the Good Ship, eh?
Just Kellie[info]themorningstarr on July 18th, 2005 05:02 pm (UTC)
I so totally agree. I'm adding this to my memories.
Katinka[info]katinka31 on July 18th, 2005 05:11 pm (UTC)
She deserves someone who will vomit slugs for her, fret and overcome his greatest fear when she is ill, stand up to the teachers when she has tears in her eyes, will notice her irregular class schedule, notice her new teeth, wonder about her love life, defend her from CAPSLOCK!Harry, and hold her, stroke her hair and cry with her.

That's beautiful. Thank you. :D
Crest of Empathy[info]shipaholic on July 18th, 2005 06:49 pm (UTC)
Wha -?!?! They're bashing Hermione now???? That's just - *fumes* That's far worse than bashing Ginny, IMO. (Though I adored HBP!Ginny.) I thought that Hermione was fantastic in the latest installment, and utterly in-character. Her reactions to Ron - and Harry - were absolutely what I'd have expected of her. Better, even; I was cheering when she Confunded McClaggen and sicced those birds on Ron. AAAGGGHH, I just can't believe they're turning on one of their former favourite characters like this, over a SHIP. But I suppose if they can turn on the author for "leading them on" after she went to every effort to convince them that H/Hr would never happen, I shouldn't be surprised.

The worst thing is that I know many H/Hr-ers reacted to HBP really graciously, congratulating us for guessing it right and everything, and these whiners are making them look bad by association.
Katarzyna: crush - ani[info]zyna_kat on July 18th, 2005 07:14 pm (UTC)
However, she's never led a Harry-centric life, and this book continues that trend.

Hi! I'm going to be a bit contrary... er, I'll just expand a bit on what you said. I think Hermione was doing less for Harry in HBP than she did in previous books. I can also see where some people might see that brilliant, helpful Hermione was compromised in HBP.

I see it differently. Hermione and Dumbledore have, oddly enough, shared a certain role in Harry's life. In HBP, Dumbledore had to come to the forefront... otherwise, his death wouldn't have as much impact. Therefore, Hermione's brilliance wasn't seen as often. That doesn't mean that Hermione wasn't as brilliant as she has been in previous books, just that a) Harry had Dumbledore, and didn't need Hermione's guidance as much, and b) Hermione was taking care of her own life during HBP.

H/Hr shippers seem to think that Ginny took Hermione's place in HBP. I disagree. I do think Hermione's role in Harry's life was temporarily diminished somewhat, but it wasn't Ginny who took her place... it was Dumbledore.
[info]madeof_stars on July 18th, 2005 08:39 pm (UTC)
Exactly. They see anything Weasley as such a threat. I swear, why don't they just stop and ask themselves why exactly? It's clear Jo loves the Weasleys. It's clear HARRY loves the Weasleys. I just don't get them at all.

And Jo has always said Hermione and Dumbledore are the two characters she uses to tell us and Harry things - so I totally see that Dumbledore stepping in sort of thing. I think also that in order to have Harry be as mature and as wonderful as he was, he does need to lose his reliance on Hermione having all the answers.
(no subject) - [info]heatherhobbit on July 19th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]madeof_stars on July 19th, 2005 05:19 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]heatherhobbit on July 19th, 2005 04:44 pm (UTC)
[info]imation23 on July 18th, 2005 07:19 pm (UTC)
*applauds wildly*

Thank you for this post.
[info]littlesnowman on July 24th, 2005 12:08 pm (UTC)
Your icon is gorgeous. xo, H
Amanda[info]dreamingenigma on July 18th, 2005 07:44 pm (UTC)
WORD WORD WORD!!!
Melissa: AWTR // L/J // For me this is heaven.[info]proofpudding on July 18th, 2005 07:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, I love this. I am saving it. You've explained everything much better than I ever could. I heart you.
[info]madeof_stars on July 18th, 2005 08:36 pm (UTC)
Bravo! This rocks and I totally agree. I had absolutely no problems with Hermione's growth. The H/Hr's just can't handle it. They're living in some sort of bizarre bubble where characters aren't allowed to change or grow.... honestly, I just don't get what they get out of these books...since they are so clearly missing what Jo is trying to do here...

Excellent remarks about Harry/the friendship- it's so clear they are just very good friends. He feels no jealousy about the R/hr possibility - he was merely worried about them no speaking and getting stuck in the middle (something Hermione had to do in book four). I think it's brilliant how he just...knows both of them so well and let's it be, while still being there for each of them. It was really beautiful.

Jo has really had them all grow up - so much. It's amazing to read, actually.

Daveydee[info]daveydee_2 on July 18th, 2005 10:20 pm (UTC)
Beautifully written, Heather.

One tiny thing which I disagree with.

They've been written to be together since Book 1. The first meeting foreshadowed it. Ron's truly been the only one for her. I knew that the moment she threw herself on him in PoA and broke down. She's always been his. He's always had her. He just doesn't realize it, yet. Typical boy!

I think now that he does. In fact, I think now that they are officially together. The funeral scene is - I think - it. I always thought it was going to involve a grand gesture of some sort (mainly on Ron's part). I no longer think that. It's not needed. It's just there. It always has been there - like trees. And I think that this is how we are meant to see it. And that's perfect - so, so JKR.
Heather: Ron/Hermione HBP Chapter Art[info]heatherhobbit on July 21st, 2005 06:40 pm (UTC)
As I said on your LJ, I believe that embrace at the funeral is probably the scene of the series for R/Hr, but I wouldn't say that they are officially a couple yet. The love is there though. The acceptance of that love is quite clear, too.
greyashowl[info]greyashowl on July 18th, 2005 11:01 pm (UTC)
In one hit you have done what many of us have been trying to describe about this so called 'new Hermione'. The thought of her losing Ron to Lavender really hurt, she has never had that happen, he was always there. I thought it was really nice the way HBP put Harry in her usual role of comforter. More often she was doing this for him but he has stood up and realised he needs to do it in return.
Kira Kira No Lady: celestine[info]miss_celestine on July 19th, 2005 12:38 am (UTC)
That's one of the many things that always bothered me about H/Hr. As a sidekick she's always going to give more than she receives. That is her role, but not everything Hermione does is for Harry. I find it ridiculous that anyone would think that she is somehow less of a friend to him now. She remained fiercely loyal, concerned for his safety and well being, and as supportive as ever. However, she's never led a Harry-centric life, and this book continues that trend. Furthermore, if she would have been made a love interest, her life would have become Harry-centric, and that would have diminished her character.


*applauds* I could not agree more. The Hermione-bashing - from the H/Hr side, no less! - has reached incredible lows, just as it had previously with Ginny. It irks me to no end that these people just can't swallow the fact that they were wrong about Hermione and her feelings all along, and that their Super!Heroine!Hermione was nothing but a complete fabrication made to suit their ship.
delumbtri[info]delemtri on July 19th, 2005 03:43 am (UTC)
This really is quite good; thank you.
[info]jessica20121984 on July 19th, 2005 08:12 am (UTC)
WORD
Quite a Machiavellian Figure: Go you![info]angua9 on July 19th, 2005 09:26 am (UTC)
Thank you for this. Well-said!
sunrider05[info]sunrider05 on July 19th, 2005 11:06 am (UTC)
Sometimes you have to wonder what books those people have read or exactly how they've read the books. It seems they're not quite able to consider that they might have been seeing something that wasn't there. Rather silly IMO.

Great post!
Loyaulte Me Lie: uranus[info]shocolate on July 19th, 2005 03:15 pm (UTC)
Brilliant.

Absolutely spot on.

And I have all my Hermione love back - and could she want him more?

Clever girl.
[Science Officer][info]bluedia on July 19th, 2005 03:21 pm (UTC)
Wonderful post! :D This is exactly what I feel needs to be explained to fandom in general, since a few of them seem to have let fanfic cloud their vision ever-so-slightly. Thanks for sharing this with us. :)

*memories*
dome36[info]dome36 on July 19th, 2005 03:26 pm (UTC)
Heather

H/G is now Canon. It is clear!

R/H it is on its way.

YAY! HOORAY!!!!

Hugs from your Happy LJ Friend

Dome
(Anonymous) on November 22nd, 2006 11:55 pm (UTC)
Heatherhobbit, let me just say that any hopes of me writing a Ron/Hermione editorial have gone up. You inspire me.
We Herons really know how to stay together as a group. Props to all my Heron buddies out there!
In case you were wondering who I am, my screename is Mistress of Magic and you can find me frequenting the Veritaserum.com forums. Heron in training here! Rock on!
 
 

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